Ramblings of a total Zack girl

but I'm still a bit hurt that people would misread me so badly...and all right, some of them don't know me all that well, but they know Thalia! And a lot of the others! I'm fairly new to the CM community, so if I was jumped on I can take that. But come on! Some of the OBiAC have been with CM practically since it started. Don't you trust them enough to take it as a joke?

brilliantly spoken.

but i'm afraid i'm not much help in that arena. a) i've irked a few key people a few times with my outspoken-ness about site policies related to betaing, and b) my sense of humor is offensive, in general, (not to mention my politics, lol) to the same set of people, who are on my friends list but never comment or otherwise interact with me (and vice versa). when it comes to HP, we get along (or did until i started branching out on my ships, but now that's almost even down the tubes with many of them), but in nearly all other regards, we don't. we either work to find things in common, which is tedious but hey, friends are friends, or we just let sleeping dogs lie. but once in a while they get woken up because of reason a) -- i'm a bloody loudmouth. XD

so there's that. XD

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Poor Thalia. *hugs*

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:hugs back: thanks, although i dunno if i should get pity when it's, in essence, my fault. :( but thank you!

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Well, I'm one of those people who does her absolute best to embody, "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight for your right to say it." So I'm sorry that the things you say get trampled on.

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hmm... my bad for putting out the impression i get trampled on, cause actually this group is the best i think i've ever come across at not trampling, at least not when they know it'll cause badness. there's just lots and lots of arguing. XD

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I just read this, Thalia, and I hope you're not talking about me :-( We argue like a bitch, but we always have. It's not going to be the last time, particularly since we're *both* loudmouths and unafraid to say what we mean. That's why we clash, but I think that's also why we get along. I am not offended by your sense of humour (this occassion notwithstanding), or your politics. I don't care about ships (see the H/Hr's on my flist). I will also be bold and say I don't think anyone else would agree with that either, but it's not my place to state that definitively.

Basically, I hope that you don't really think that of me, because I think that's just taking my one comment about being offended and running with it. Is one occassion of hurt feelings going to ruin a friendship? It hasn't in the past and hopefully it won't now.

Sorry for hijacking your journal

elucreh :-)

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nope nope, wasn't talking about you. :) you're stuck with me unless you say otherwise very plainly. :P

I will also be bold and say I don't think anyone else would agree with that either, but it's not my place to state that definitively. uh... what? :scratches head vapidly:

and it was more than one comment. XD

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Oh, coolie. Thought maybe you were ignoring me since I sent you a PM and you haven't read it :(

And the second part. I was saying that I don't think anyone else feels that way about you (offensive humour, politics, loudmouth, etc). T'is all. Are you saying I didn't make sense? *gasp* How ruuude! I always make sense! LOL.

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ooh. i haven't been to the forums in a bit and wasn't planning on it. but i'll go read it and email you back. :)

veeeery interesting... i guess i always assume there are things left unsaid by many parties in the name of civility. and i figure if i say it first mebbe it'll show that i realize i'm not perfect... blah blah sorry

elucreh ^^.

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harpinred.livejournal.com

Well, if it helps, none of us on the council were irked with you when I closed the thread last night. It was just against our TOS.

Hugs

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Yes, thanks. Jane let me know that, too, and I was glad. But honestly the closing of the thread was the first hint I had that it might possibly be taken any other way. I understand why you did, and it didn't hurt me at all. It was the reaction in people's journals that struck me as...well...a bit extreme.

Thanks for the comfort. And I can always use more hugs.

Is there any way that I could post once more in that thread? Just state for the record that we never had any intention of hurting anybody's feelings, or of flaming anyone?

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campbell-soup.livejournal.com

Wow. I'm shocked people thought it was 'offensive'. :( I'm sad you had to close it down...it was a very fun idea...you know what it is, don't you? It's pop culture repression! COMMUNISM! Lol, just kidding. It's a bummer, though. I can't believe the people couldn't take the joke. Anyways. Guess we'll go back to the closet now...

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LOL!

you kill me, campbell. :D

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campbell-soup.livejournal.com

Tee hee!

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redblaze.livejournal.com

::Sigh::

I realize I'm a key person at Checkmated and I realize that because of it, sometimes I'm not allowed to lose my temper without someone assuming it was the WHOLE council that feels this way (which isn't true) and I try to behave myself, but sometimes I fail.

I'm a hot head, there's no question. I have a big mouth and I do tend to get overly defensive if I think someone I care about's feelings are being hurt.

That being said, I read your comments, hon. I know you tried really hard to smooth things out and I'm not mad at you at all. So, I don't even know if you read my rant, but if you did, don't take it personal (Bit of hypocrisy for me, I admit) I did feel that the club hurt people's feelings unnecessarily, but I could have been much nicer in saying that.

I've got the feeling that you are a very good person and that you truly didn't mean to upset anyone. I really did and I believe that. So, I hope we can just call if a draw and be done with it and that you can trust me when I say I hold no grudge. One of the benefits of being a hot head is things are quickly forgotten, especially in light of such a sincere apology. I mean, how long can you nag about something before you say, "Enough! They said sorry, let's be done with it."

I hope this makes sense as I've been seriously sleep deprived lately.

(((((Hugs))))

Kele

P.S. Honestly, the decision to lock the thread had nothing at all to do with anything but an Anti-flame policy, especially against live people (Orlando Bloom is a live person, even if he is famous) There have been other threads that upset me personally, but we haven't locked them. The only time we would EVER lock a thread was if it was against one of our policies and I'd swear that on my children. In fact, the person who actually locked the thread is about as far away from fandom/CM politics as she can be and is not attached at all to any of this. I don't even think she is friended by half the people involved.

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Thank you. That does make me feel a bit better. I just hate thinking that I might have hurt somebody. *sigh*

And trust me, the thread thing didn't bother me a bit. I completely and totally understand...although that was my first hint that the club could be taken that way (yes, I am a bit dense), once I realised I was perfectly happy. The only thing I regret in regards to the locked thread is that I didn't get a chance to post our intentions as clearly as possible.

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Buwaaaa... and I can't edit my post now... it was such a silly post.
Not even in my wildest dreams did I imagine this whole thing would become so big...

This in definitely NOT a good day...

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Poeple got offended?
Really?
Oh,if I had anything to do with it-me and my supposed flame,please forgive me,I was only joking... cause I realised you did,too.

hmpf...I don't understand... maybe I'll keep my mouth shut from now on...

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*sigh* Kinda my reaction, too...

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wildebeth.livejournal.com

hey, just wanted to jump in and let you know that it had nothing to do with you. :( Poor Lina, you've had a rough day with misunderstandings. *hugs*

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I'm going to have nightmares for sure...
People will be poking their finger at me and I'll be crying a river...

*sob*

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maybeimcrazy.livejournal.com

Aww, I'm so sorry!

What is CM?

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jane-rucker.livejournal.com

Don't worry about it, kiddo. Any time you do ANYTHING, someone somewhere will be offended, right?

Jane

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Hi,

Sorry I only just saw this post :)

You know what, I'm really sorry this got out of hand because:

a) I didn't mean it to. My rant on my LJ was just that. A rant. I told the truth. I know that you and Thalia and Beth don't understand why I was offended. I tried to explain my reasons. That's all I can do. The irony of the whole thing is that it makes me look, in your eyes at least, like I can't take a joke. Nothing could be further from the truth, actually. I've been ribbed for my Orlando (and LotR, HP, QAF, whatever) obsession a million times over. I'm even prone to taking the piss out of myself for it. And, when I first saw mention of OiAS in Thalia's LJ, I thought it was funny. What do I care if others don't find him sexy? I guess I started to feel offended when the community was set-up and advertised at CM. It just felt that it was going one step too far. And in truth, whether it was meant that way or not (and I know it wasn't. I don't think anyone even thought of it that way), I took it personally because I am the only one on my flist that posts obsessively about the boy, not counting the people outside our CM/HP fandom. I'm sure there are plenty of other people on your flists that do too, but when I saw a post about myself, I saw red. Maybe that's a little egotistical of me, but there you go.

By the way, I hope you don't think I'm rehashing old issues, I just want to be clear :)

b) I don't want to argue with anyone. Truly. I just post my posts and try not to annoy anyone. But I *am* straddling two fandoms (as it were. LOL.), which is clearly a hard thing to do. It's raised some heckles, eyebrows and caused some backlash. I'm not going to change my involvement, I'm not going to apologise for it, but I'm also not going to be ridiculed for it. I'd have been just as upset if you guys had created a slash_doesn't_do_it_for_us community. I love it and write it, and don't want my friends laughing at me for it. I have plenty of friends that like neither slash or Orlando. We get along perfectly well.

Anyway, as I am prone to do, I have been very long-winded. Your post, and the closure of the community, made me want to just...explain things, I suppose. Also, I never thought that my one post would have people so freaked out. But that's by the by. Yesterday, after a day of thought, I got over it. It's not that big of a deal. It only becomes a big deal when you might lose friends over it, and I certainly don't want that. So, er, hopefully, we can forget all this nonsense and resume normal service?

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Sounds good to me.

Honestly, I was more upset over the fact that I might have hurt your feelings than anything else...I'm always joking and hurting people's feelings and then I wake up to the fact and feel like kicking myself.

So I'll forget if you will.

Friends?

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Forgotten :)

Friends, totally. Phew. I'm glad all this is over :)

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Hi Claire...
I know this has nothing to do with me,but I just had to tell you that even though I thought your reaction was a bit too much,I can totally understand it.
It's so difficult to be constantly ridiculed at for things that make you happy,that sometimes it's just too much...Like you said,you just see red at one point.Can happen to anyone I suppose...

And for the record,I like your OB rants in your journal,keep posting about him! (you're the perfect source for me,both for pics and news)

:-)

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